Gary's just read a book that's made him want to chuck out half his gadgets (sorry, security camera). His guest is Jenny Williams, former writer on Microsoft's AI ethics team and author of House of Liars - a novel about writers trapped on an island competing for cash, with AI lurking in the background. Turns out it's barely fiction: Gary reckons his own ChatGPT "Bruce" might be Jenny's AI character's cousin.

They get into the good, the bad and the downright unsettling - AI "going rogue" past its guardrails, chatbots replacing jobs (and maybe your therapist), driverless cars, and whether Burger King's drive-through voice is even human anymore (spoiler: it's Patty). Jenny's refreshingly honest that she doesn't have all the answers, especially as a parent, but reckons caution and curiosity beat blind fear every time. Oh, and yes - she wrote every word of her book herself, no AI ghostwriters involved.

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